Saturday, December 06, 2008

A Question for Nadia Matar

Nadia Matar has written:-

I am convinced that had we managed to keep over a thousand people in Bet Hashalom also on Thursday, the expulsion would not have taken place and may this be a lesson for us in the future.


Why were there not 1000 people there?

Or 5000?

Could it have been that some people, after seeing and reading about the actions of the few undisciplined violent persons there, who were not forcefully denounced, simply stayed away?

Is that the lesson?

And I expand at my Arutz 7 blog.

8 comments:

Hadassa DeYoung said...

Shavua Tov!
One question: What took longer to clear out, eight houses in Amona or three settlements in Gush Katif?
Singing and waving orange sure impressed those soldiers in Gush Katif.
Any people who were deterred by the "undisciplined violent persons" would not have delayed the expulsion of the Peace House for more than the length of time necessary for two soldiers to pick him up and carry him off. Being as we are highly outnumbered, we have to do more than give the soldiers weight lifting practice if we expect to maintain our communities.
I do agree that we must be more organized. We could start with not letting our guard down when the settlement "leaders" speak to the IDF and governmental representatives. I doubt that we'll agree on any of the following steps.
Hadassa DeYoung, K'far Darom/Elon Moreh

YMedad said...

a) you're still avoiding the main issue

b) and where was Daniella?

c) the "letting down the guard" also included Rav Levinger's presence at the meeting so...

Hadassa DeYoung said...

Shalom!
In reverse order:
c) Yes "letting down the guard" includes the actions of our "leaders" which mislead others that the Yassamniks are not already on their way.
b) I'm at home with the kids for a few more years and it's hard for me to follow everything from afar. Refresh my memory. To the best of my knowledge she hasn't been misleading anyone.
a) What is the main issue? Why weren't more people there? That's a matter of logistics, of which I'm not an expert. Does the violence help or hinder? Again, another thousand or even three thousand people that would be carried off without a fight will not slow down an expulsion more than a few hours.
Hadassa

Hadassa DeYoung said...

Shalom!
You asked this question on your INN blog, on which I can't post because of an interface problem.
17. Let's Try Another Question
The previous Shabbat there were 25,000, it is claimed, Jews in Hebron. Why did not 10% stay or return during the week? Why not 5%?

Perhaps the YESHA Council and others of their ilk lulled people into thinking that the situation was under control and that the expulsion was not imminent? People do have to support their families and especially with bad advice from "mamlachtim" it's difficult to know just when the crucial moments are.
I remember very well how the hotel in Gush Katif was handed over to the army. Our local council sent out a message that there was no need to come to the hotel and protest. The mamlachtim stayed at home. People with a bit more foresight didn't. It seems that we haven't learned enough in the past four years.
Hadassa

YMedad said...

Now you are becoming a conspiricist. They all were lulled? Please.

YMedad said...

SeeDavid Wilder's article and ask why he skipped over the cemetery daubings, wall graffiti, burning Arab cars, and throwing stones at police.

Hadassa DeYoung said...

Shalom!
Haven't you ever heard of the "herd theory"? Why did so few people try to get to Gush Katif after the YESHA Council told everybody to go home after baking for three days in K'far Maimon? Too many people are still listening to the YESHA Council and following their advice/instructions.
Response to David Wilder's article: I do not believe that any of "our" youth, not even the "wild hill-top youth", desecrated a cemetery of any kind. The cemetery damage was caused by either provocateurs or other outsiders. As for the other actions, why go into details with reporters? He already explained that the genuine culprit is the government that has forced the residents of Hevron and their supporters into this situation. Or have I misunderstood your question?
Hadassa

YMedad said...

Ashrei Hat'mimot