Sunday, August 12, 2012

But Why Not?

My comment left at Jewish Currents, that progressive voice blog:

You wrote: "any state whose existence depends on increasing the numbers of the “right” kind of citizens and controlling the population of the “wrong” kind of citizens cannot be just or democratic." Well, can a state that is a republic permit a monarchist party? Should a democracy not restrict activities of a fascist party? Should France permit Arabic to supplant French? Why can't Israel, the Jewish national home, place limitations on its citizens that would protect the state's character?

And in case not approved:



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Update

We have an argument:

Alyssa Goldstein August 12, 2012 at 8:02 am
 
“Why can’t Israel, the Jewish national home, place limitations on its citizens that would protect the state’s character?” If by “limitations” you mean “population restrictions,” you are aware that attempts to restrict births within a specific group falls under the UN definition of genocide, right?
 
Yisrael Medad August 12, 2012 at 3:18 pm
 
Your comment is awaiting moderation.
If you mean to denigrate my moral attitude, you fail. I most certainly do not mean limitations as in population restrictions as in genocide. Arabs do that. It’s called terror by the Mufti, terror by the fedayeen, terror by the Fatah, terror by Hamas, etc. And it’s called ethnic cleansing of Jews from Tel Hai in 1920, from Hebron, Shchem/Nablus and Gaza in 1929 and from Gush Etzion, Bet HaAravah, Atarot, Neveg Yaakov and Jerusalem’s Old City in 1948. How do you define those actions?
What I meant, and you seem to oh so innocently miscomprehend, are limitations on political rights. Those who wish to live in Israel but regard the state as inimical to Arab nationalism, who want to de-Judaize its character, well, if they can’t identify with the state, they can live in it but they can’t vote. Do residents of Washington DC vote for a Senator? Do Puerto Ricans? Depriving or rather not awarding non-citizens full voting rights (and there are over 100,000 Jews in Israel holding permanent residency status who cannot vote in Knesset elections, btw) is not genocide nor unknown in democratic societies.

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1 comment:

NormanF said...

The facts are indisputable - some people simply don't want to see them.

The central fact that has to be faced is the Arab war against Israel, going on in various permutations for the past century, shows no signs of ending any time soon.

Anyone not willing to deal with it won't understand why peace is impossible in the Middle East. Getting the Jewish Left to see this is a huge job with scant prospects of success but it has to be done.

Hopefully, some people will begin to listen.